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Old 05-20-2016, 12:40 AM
Xs3roN Xs3roN is offline
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You must be indeed correct ~Huscarl - I created trend line just now and I confirm, those may be main stat values of corresponding pets, good job ~Huscarl. I might update spreadsheet and public respective data for 100 pLvl of those.

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Old 05-20-2016, 08:25 AM
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Thanks for all the hard work guys. I am happy to see that I am not the only one who loves maths and statistics. I calculated the habitats primary attributes based on your data and predictions:



I am a little concerned about my chances against the boss using the 14-th pet.

ps. Just edited the data thanks to BMWGuinness latest post.

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Old 05-20-2016, 09:24 AM
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Thank you.

Those two are as I had predicted, based on the trend.

My predictions for the remaining pets:
Pet #15: Level 1 primary stat: 160
#16: 200
#17: 240
#18: 280
#19: 320
#20: 400
I am actually thinking that 16 + might have a higher base. to begin with we had 4 levels at base increase by 2. after that we had 4 levels of increasing by 4 (2x). Following that it didn't just double again but actually multiplied by 2.5x to an increase of +10 for 3 levels. It then kept the same pattern. If this happens again that means that level 16 would be a +50 increase instead of +40 and level 20 would be +100 instead of +80.

so projected totals would be

Pet #15: Level 1 primary stat: 160
#16: 210
#17: 260
#18: 310
#19: 360
#20: 460

does this make sense to anyone else?
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Old 05-20-2016, 10:33 AM
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Level 1 primary attribute is two times the level increase rate. Thanks to the habitat data from BMWGuinness I calculated that the 17-th habitat has a +100 points increase per level and we know that the 19-th habitat has a +160 points per level boost. I would say the base stats for level 1 are:

Pet 15 - 140
Pet 16 - 160
pet 17 - 200
pet 18 - 240
pet 19 - 320
pet 20 - 400
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Old 05-20-2016, 08:23 PM
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so projected totals would be

Pet #15: Level 1 primary stat: 160
#16: 210
#17: 260
#18: 310
#19: 360
#20: 460

does this make sense to anyone else?
We already know that tricerawood (#19) has base stat 320 so that does not make sense to me, no.
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Old 05-22-2016, 08:01 AM
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Apologies for double post but I had received some data from ~BMWGuinness and
I present you speculated stats and charts for 12th, 13th and 14th pet!

1 pLvl to 100 pLvl:

post50 pLvl:

Raw data:


Just wanted to share those before I'll go to sleep as Im from Europe and have, obviously, different timezone than US

Cheers!

~Xs3roN
I am having a problem reconciling what is going on with these base stats and what I am seeing in real time. Based on the stats, a level 3 pet seems to max out at around 1300 for level 100. based on that, I started training borring, level 9 earth pet, and now have him up to level 53, which should put him at 1400 or so. But today he just got destroyed by a level 3 pet at 85.

Before I started upgrading level 9-10-11 pets I was #1 or #2 in the pet HOF and winning at least 4 of 5 battles in PvP. Now I am #49 in the HOF and today won 2 of 5 in PvP. Including the above noted loss by my earth pets led by borring.

So what am I missing here? weapon stats? damage attenuation related to level? I don't think it's pack bonus, since I have unlocked 42, which places me in the top 5 on the server.

Or, in simpler terms, how high do I need to raise my level 9 pet to beat a level 3 pet at 100?
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Old 05-22-2016, 11:31 AM
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I am having a problem reconciling what is going on with these base stats and what I am seeing in real time. Based on the stats, a level 3 pet seems to max out at around 1300 for level 100. based on that, I started training borring, level 9 earth pet, and now have him up to level 53, which should put him at 1400 or so. But today he just got destroyed by a level 3 pet at 85.

Before I started upgrading level 9-10-11 pets I was #1 or #2 in the pet HOF and winning at least 4 of 5 battles in PvP. Now I am #49 in the HOF and today won 2 of 5 in PvP. Including the above noted loss by my earth pets led by borring.

So what am I missing here? weapon stats? damage attenuation related to level? I don't think it's pack bonus, since I have unlocked 42, which places me in the top 5 on the server.

Or, in simpler terms, how high do I need to raise my level 9 pet to beat a level 3 pet at 100?
The thing you are missing is that the third pet is a scout and scouts are better than warriors. What you are experiencing is normal and I expected that. You are in a temporary stagnation. When you stopped developing your first pet and started leveling up the second champion your strength didn't automatically increase. You had to gain probably 40 levels to reach the strength of your first pet with your second pet. In this time your opponent didn't stop and invested these levels in his first pet so he had one much stronger pet compared to your two weaker pets.

Now for the good news: imagine the situation in a week. Your opponent will have hit the level 100 barrier and he will be in a stagnation as he will be forced to move to a new pet champion. At the same time your Boaringg will be at level 74 and he will have a good chance against the level 100 Smaponyck. Your opponent won't be able to gain any significant strength in the next couple of weeks and you will have a good advantage on him ... for a while - till the next round of reversed raise and stagnation.
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Old 05-22-2016, 04:22 PM
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Seems to me that another criteria for switching pets should be based on a class and that prefered pet should be scout. Couse of their evasion, they are great in habitat battles and in pvp. More than a few times, my pet warriors were destroyed in pvp despite advantage in levels.
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Old 05-22-2016, 05:23 PM
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I am having a problem reconciling what is going on with these base stats and what I am seeing in real time. Based on the stats, a level 3 pet seems to max out at around 1300 for level 100. based on that, I started training borring, level 9 earth pet, and now have him up to level 53, which should put him at 1400 or so. But today he just got destroyed by a level 3 pet at 85.

Before I started upgrading level 9-10-11 pets I was #1 or #2 in the pet HOF and winning at least 4 of 5 battles in PvP. Now I am #49 in the HOF and today won 2 of 5 in PvP. Including the above noted loss by my earth pets led by borring.

So what am I missing here? weapon stats? damage attenuation related to level? I don't think it's pack bonus, since I have unlocked 42, which places me in the top 5 on the server.

Or, in simpler terms, how high do I need to raise my level 9 pet to beat a level 3 pet at 100?
Keep in mind that weapon damage increases with pet level. A level 53 pet has 62% of the weapon damage of a level 85 pet.

Keep in mind that constitution results in more HP on a higher level pet. A level 53 pet has 62% of the HP of the level 85 pet.

Additionally, pack bonus does play a role in determining how strong a pet is in combat. A level 85 pet probably has beaten the tier 12 pet, which could grant his tier 3 pet a significant stat advantage. You didn't specify what habitat the level 85 pet was from. This is relevant because beating 12 habitat levels in the water habitat could allow a pet a 50% pack bonus, whereas beating 11 levels of the habitat with boaring only allows you to have up to 40% pack bonus.
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Old 05-22-2016, 07:55 PM
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Now for the good news: imagine the situation in a week. Your opponent will have hit the level 100 barrier and he will be in a stagnation as he will be forced to move to a new pet champion. At the same time your Boaringg will be at level 74 and he will have a good chance against the level 100 Smaponyck.
Not if borring keeps losing all his battles, he won't. I won only 3 of 5 today.


And here is what I am talking about:

I just battled level 96 pyrophybus, which is a warrior with 1687 str and con.

My level 57 borring is a warrior with 2030 str and con.

The battle wasn't even close. pyropyhbus was still at 1/2 strength when borring went down.

now I was attacking earth against fire, and fire is supposed to have an advantage against earth, but I don't think this advantage is over 50%.
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